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Prokofiev Scythian Suite Op.20

Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:28 pm
by synergy543
There are many later opuses scores by Prokofiev posted so I assume it might be possible to include Prokofiev's Scythian Suite Op.20.

Any plans for this one?

Re: Prokofiev Scythian Suite Op.20

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:41 am
by KGill
It was published in 1923 by Boosey & Hawkes, so it could be uploaded, although it would probably be blocked with [TB]. It seems like rather a rare score as well.

Re: Prokofiev Scythian Suite Op.20

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:47 am
by synergy543
Oh, but rare like a fine wine. Its such a lovely score! You're right though its hard to find. I can only find the study score for purchase. Even though I can buy it, scanned pdfs are so useful as you can print up just the section you want.

Pardon, I'm an total NooB. What does TB mean?

Re: Prokofiev Scythian Suite Op.20

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:41 pm
by KGill
See this thread for information.

Re: Prokofiev Scythian Suite Op.20

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:19 pm
by daphnis
Actually, this score is pretty common. Any library worth their salt would have a copy, but indeed this would suffer the [TB] if uploaded.

Re: Prokofiev Scythian Suite Op.20

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:33 pm
by KGill
If that's so, then I guess most libraries haven't registered with WorldCat that they have it, because the original edition is apparently held only by one Australian library. Boosey later re-released it in 1947; this edition appears to be held by three other libraries. So you're saying that this is probably nowhere close to accurate?

Re: Prokofiev Scythian Suite Op.20

Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:21 pm
by daphnis
As far as I know, the reprint by Boosey was just that—a reprint of the 1923 printing with no alterations.

Re: Prokofiev Scythian Suite Op.20

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:27 pm
by synergy543
Well, sounds like its a trip to the library for me and some scanning work. Thanks for the TB explanation link (as I couldn't search "TB").

So even 87 years after publication its still under CP. I suppose its tied to X number of years after the composer's death in the U.S. (even though he didn't die in the U.S.)?

It seems such a shame the scores couldn't be made available online in pdf for a nominal fee. I don't mind paying the copyright fee, I just want a pdf copy. I wonder what the actual copyright fee percentage would be as opposed to cost/profit for print publication? Are we protecting the copyright owners or the publishers business?

The end result is making these scores more inaccessible at a time when we need them more than ever to keep this music alive.

Re: Prokofiev Scythian Suite Op.20

Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:59 pm
by KGill
Anything published with a valid notice between 1923 and 1977 is protected in the US for 95 years after date of publication (unless it wasn't renewed...getting too complicated already :wink: ). So the Prokofiev, published in 1923, will be protected in the US until January 1, 2019.
If you're interested, you can see this page for a pretty simple guide, or here for a full manual-type guide.

Re: Prokofiev Scythian Suite Op.20

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:14 pm
by jfarrington
KGill wrote:If that's so, then I guess most libraries haven't registered with WorldCat that they have it, because the original edition is apparently held only by one Australian library. Boosey later re-released it in 1947; this edition appears to be held by three other libraries. So you're saying that this is probably nowhere close to accurate?
Probably you were making the mistake of trying to search by the common English title, rather than the title of original publication, Ala et Lolly. If you search by that title, you will see 1923 editions by Boosey, B&H, and Gutheil, all held by multiple libraries, and other editions of later date as well.

Re: Prokofiev Scythian Suite Op.20

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:28 pm
by synergy543
Thanks for all the helpful info you guys have posted in this thread.

Greatly appreciated.