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Most Interesting Italian Music Terms You Have Come Across

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:26 pm
by allegroamabile
So which ones have really caught your eye? These can include the whole title of a heading. Another thing you can do is list the piece that features those terms.

Allegro amabile: Brahms- Violin Sonata No. 2 (first movement); Brahms- Clarinet Sonata No. 2 (first movement)
Lento lugubre: Tchaikovsky- Francesca da Rimini (the beginning); Tchaikovsky- Manfred Symphony (first movement)
Presto, senza battuto: Barber- Symphony No. 2 (third movement)
Allegro giusto, nel modo russico, senza allegrezza, ma poco sostenuto: Mussorgsky- Pictures at an Exhibition (first Promenade)
Moderato nobile: Korngold- Violin Concerto (first movement)

That's a start. I'll think of more later.

Re: Most Interesting Italian Music Terms You Have Come Across

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:51 pm
by steltz
First, allegroamabile, I think it's giusto, not guisto.

But second, here's one I've never been sure was real, so maybe some of our members who speak native Italian can tell me.

Ravvivando

Comes up in Gerald Finzi's Five Bagatelles, and one other piece that I can't think of, but was also by a British composer. It is a type of accelerando (i.e. reviving), but I've never seen an Italian composer use it.

Is it real?

Re: Most Interesting Italian Music Terms You Have Come Across

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:58 pm
by allegroamabile
Well, it is definitely in my copy of the Finzi, the Prelude to be more specific.

Re: Most Interesting Italian Music Terms You Have Come Across

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:44 pm
by Leonard Vertighel
steltz wrote:First, allegroamabile, I think it's giusto, not guisto.
Correct. The "gi" stands for a sound similar to the "J" in "John".
Ravvivando

Is it real?
It's certainly a real Italian word, to be specific the gerund of ravvivare "to revive", "to enliven", etc.

Re: Most Interesting Italian Music Terms You Have Come Across

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:53 pm
by steltz
Thanks! Always wondered, because I had only seen it used by English composers.

Re: Most Interesting Italian Music Terms You Have Come Across

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:29 am
by allegroamabile
Presto in moto perpetuo: Barber- Violin Concerto, Op. 14 (third movement)
Presto non assai, ma con sentimento: Brahms- Clarinet Quintet, Op. 115 (third movement)
Allegro dolente: Reger- Clarinet Sonata No. 2 (first movement)
Allegro affabile: Reger- Clarinet Sonata No. 2 (fourth movement)
Allegro affanato: Reger- Clarinet Sonata No. 1 (first movement)
Adagio affettuoso: Brahms- Cello Sonata No. 2 (second movement)

translations
affettuoso= affectionate
dolente= sad
in moto perpetuo= in perpetual motion
non assai= not very
ma con sentimento= but with feeling
affabile= friendly

Re: Most Interesting Italian Music Terms You Have Come Across

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:05 am
by SeanMartin
Ravvivando (I think, I'm not 100% sure) means to play "as if you're behind the wheel of a 65 Mustang on a five mile straightaway".

But that's just a guess. :)

Re: Most Interesting Italian Music Terms You Have Come Across

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:22 am
by Niels
'Sopra' in the second Hungarian Rhapsody.
I still don't know what they mean with it.

Re: Most Interesting Italian Music Terms You Have Come Across

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:40 am
by jsnfmn
My favorites thus far, by coincidence both Scandinavians:

Sibelius 2, Mov III: Lento e suave
Nielsen 1, Mov I: Allegro orgoglioso

Re: Most Interesting Italian Music Terms You Have Come Across

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:24 pm
by allegroamabile
Allegro guerriero: Bruch- Scottish Fantasy (fifth movement)

guerriero= warlike

I don't agree with the fifth movement of Bruch's Scottish Fantasy being warlike. :?

more translations

amabile= lovable

senza= without

battuto= beaten

nobile= noble

lugubre= gloomy

Re: Most Interesting Italian Music Terms You Have Come Across

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:25 pm
by wurlitzer153
This one's not Italian, but I've heard it come up once or twice in fiddle music tempos - "Threshing Speed" :D

This video pretty much sums it up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTUicTrSBOc

Re: Most Interesting Italian Music Terms You Have Come Across

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:55 pm
by Deinonychus
travolgente: used several times by Ludovico Einaudi, though I've never seen it anywhere else.
I asked an Italian friend what it meant and she described along the lines of 'running away with the overwhelming goodness of it all'

inaferando: in the first of ???????'s 2 poèmes
not a real italian word, and no one really knows what he meant by it

precipitevolissimevolmente: never seen this actually used, but according to the Guinness book of records its the longest word in the Italian language, and I have always wanted to write a piece with it. It means as fast as possible

Re: Most Interesting Italian Music Terms You Have Come Across

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:56 pm
by allegroamabile
Deinonychus wrote:precipitevolissimevolmente: never seen this actually used, but according to the Guinness book of records its the longest word in the Italian language, and I have always wanted to write a piece with it. It means as fast as possible
I have heard that Robert Schumann wrote a piano piece with the directions "as fast as possible" in German (I unfortunately do not know the translation). Later on in the same movement, it says to play even faster.

Re: Most Interesting Italian Music Terms You Have Come Across

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:00 pm
by sbeckmesser
The relatively common term "prestissimo" essentially means as fast as possible. Mozart, for one, liked to write music that is to be performed extremely quickly. The finales of the serenade K.203 (prestissimo) and the Haffner symphony (presto) are standout examples. (Speaking from experience, the latter is particularly exhausting for the violins.) And he seemed to love a flurry of notes to bring an end to an opera, such as in the closing moments of the Marriage of Figaro, Don Giovanni and Cosi fan tutte, which I believe should be performed as fast as possible.

I remember Aaron Copland mentioning a pop composer who was astounded at his (Copland's) ability to write fast music. Come to think of it, pop music doesn't really have fast music, in the classical sense. It does have active music, which is different.

--Sixtus

Re: Most Interesting Italian Music Terms You Have Come Across

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 2:36 pm
by vinteuil
Niels wrote:'Sopra' in the second Hungarian Rhapsody.
I still don't know what they mean with it.
It refers to how one hand is positioned over the other.
Scorrevole is mine (Elliot Carter!)